poems, they were pragmatic to the core, they had nothing fancy or literary about them, they were the day’s logbook, and they were really down-to-earth. They were not intended for aesthetic effects. They were education. And Plato was against the education of Homer because it was all for the ear. So Plato became, you know, he went to war with the poets because they were performers and he wanted logicians. So philosophy was born when he pulled out the acoustic thing and kept instead the logical, visual thing. Acoustic/Visual Space Forsdale: Visual, is it being used in the sense here, literally meaning I look at A, B, C on the page rather than hear the sounds?